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Post by Orioles (Rook) (Commish) on Apr 1, 2024 23:47:29 GMT -5
I’ve asked Wally the Commish of Moneyballers for his two cents on this topic.
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Post by Reds (Wally) on Apr 2, 2024 9:11:19 GMT -5
I have been following this discussion from the outset, and I have given it some thought. In the spirit of full disclosure, I personally had no players in this position on any of my teams, here or on Moneyballers (where I am Commissioner), so I have no firsthand feeling for the dilemma. But I also do not want to dismiss offhand the level of frustration some of you may have experienced.
That said, I would not want to downplay the fact that this would be something of an administrative hassle — or maybe I should say it would definitely add to the existing administrative hassles. The start of the new season requires a good amount work on the part of the commissioner, and much of that involves activating the league on Yahoo — as in transferring the previous season’s rosters to the coming season’s rosters. This enterprise is challenging enough given the way our league operates, but it is complicated by the fact that Yahoo requires 26 players on every one of the 20 teams in the league in order for the commissioner to activate a new season. So, the choices are two:
On the one hand, if when we activate the league, we do not put players on Yahoo rosters who are in what I will call “suspended animation” (known to be injured but not officially on the IL — i.e. Cole), Yahoo will require placeholders in order to get to the requisite 26 players, and (key point here) this will have to be done before we start bidding on free agents. We have to do this already for players owners choose not to re-sign, and determining the pre-season IL would simply add one more layer to an existing challenge.
If, on the other hand, when activating the season, we simply include these players on the original 26 (most teams I expect would probably have room because they would have elected not to re-sign a few players) and then place them on “suspended animation”, presumably to be replaced later by selected free agents, we’d need to establish — and more important, monitor — a new catagory of untouchables (despite their being listed as free agents on Yahoo). This, I take it, is what Rick proposes. It’s doable, but I would add here that monitoring “waivers” requires more of my attention as a commissioner than either free agency or trades.
Obviously, a compromise is possible (say, allowing one player in suspended animation per team per season), but otherwise I’d have to side with Rook on the issue.
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Post by Orioles (Rook) (Commish) on Apr 2, 2024 13:49:31 GMT -5
Ok….Perhaps a compromise of sorts could make it work. I’m going to take a thinking break. With getting the new league up and running plus this league I’m worn out. How about someone else other than Wally, Rodger or myself come up with a plan to make it work. Write down the rules, dates times, etc. on how this works and present it here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2024 16:23:20 GMT -5
I made a suggestion, to a problem, that not only I encountered but others will face in the future. I can tell by the commissioner and his administrators replies that this is a league where the powers that be tell you to "take it or leave it".That is not friendly or fun. The suggestion is not to help me (that's over) but to help all teams trying to fill out a roster in spring training. It is not to get away with anything or fraudulent as suggested. I was going to volunteer to monitor this situation but never got the chance. Rook, you had 6 guys on your IL this year in spring training. You were lucky that their status was established last year and you could put them on your IL right away and bid on free agents. I did not have such a luxury. Just imagine if they were taking spots on your roster but were out who would you cut if you didn't have any space. try dropping 6 guys from your current roster and then having to replace them with crappy waiver guys. Your team would be much different. Also what you said about Topa that wouldn't happen because his description was he "might" start season on IR. He wouldn't qualify for the list because of might. I have run many successful fantasy leagues. I always listen to my players and see what I can do to address their concerns. When I can I try their suggestion for a year to see how it works out then make a decision. I know you do alot of work and don't need more but as I said I would monitor this and you would have no additional work Lastly what kind of administrator cheers on "so called" decision like they just won the championship??
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Post by Orioles (Rook) (Commish) on Apr 2, 2024 18:43:26 GMT -5
My last message was simple and ignored by you. Come up with written league rules to make your idea work. Wally and I can decide jointly whether we can adopt it or not. Again there are multiple leagues involved. There are three managers in all four leagues and half a dozen managers in three leagues. We don’t do testing in just one league. If we change a rule it’s done in all three leagues.
I’ll ignore the personal attack on Administrators.
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Post by Rays (Brett) on Apr 3, 2024 9:47:36 GMT -5
Can one change the number of players added to Yahoo? My proposal would be to have our rosters at 30 on March 1. After opening day, it would then be reduced to 26 (The reason for the day after opening day is West coast games may not have their rosters changed before early games begin).
If possible on Yahoo, this would also reflect more accurately how MLB teams manage rosters.
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Post by Orioles (Rook) (Commish) on Apr 3, 2024 14:48:51 GMT -5
Settings can be changed from 8 bench to 12 bench to accommodate your idea. Once set, settings can’t be changed back to 8 bench. Your idea would help accommodate players not yet listed as IL. Once the season starts and all players are listed on IL then we have the problem of blotted rosters with the four additional bench players.
Yes, once the season starts we could tell managers to ignore those four extra bench spots. Yuck. Sounds messy.. I don’t like this idea. We could allow team ps to,fill those extra four roster spots but then cap issues come into play. Also, I don’t like hoarding players. Free agents are weak at best.
I think the issue is whether we allow managers to carry extra players that aren’t yet on the IL when free agency opens. If so, how many players and how do we make it work.
Ok Rick…make it work new volunteer. Yeah, I’m picking on you. Rick or anyone…… I need Rules, how and where do we post, deadline on when teams are required to get back down to 26 rostered players, penalties if a team fails to get it down by deadline, what method of forced buyout do we use on managers who miss the deadline (assume most recent free agent or agents).
Also who monitors this? I think this leads me to another new thread I’ll open soon. Stay tuned.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2024 23:21:24 GMT -5
I don't ignore anything! I said I would volunteer to monitor this.
Begins when Yahoo rosters come out. Ends opening day (1 mo.) Anyone may submit a player who they know is going to start season on the IR and can't move them to any place on their Yahoo roster because their status is not up to date (DTD). On opening day they must have a 26 man roster. If Yahoo changes their designation from DTD to IR they may bring them back and put them on their team under IR. If they don't bring them back or if the player is on a MLB roster on opening day then they lose that player to the regular waiver wire and anyone can bid on them.
Example: Trevor Stephen spent the whole spring training trying to pitch. Had elbow surgery 3 wks into spring training. Yahoo talked about him starting season on IR but baseball still listed him as DTD. In reality I had to bid on Barlow and when I got him I had to drop Stephen although I wanted to IR Stephen but had no choice. Under new rule I (and anyone else) could have put Stephen in protected "roster moves" put Barlow in place, then when Stephen status was changed by opening day I could have put him on my team under IR and had my 26 on opening day. It has to be definite. It can't be he might start the season on IR. I think we can agree on Cole, Edman and Stephen qualifying for this list. Other teams also had some qualifiers this year and will have in future years.
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Post by Orioles (Rook) (Commish) on Apr 5, 2024 8:24:25 GMT -5
Ok……anyone wish to add or modify the proposed rule please comment.
We still have our deadline each year (see below) where all teams must get down to 26 total players or less. The idea behind this rule/deadline is to have as many players available to bid on in free agency. This rule/deadline would still exist. There is a five day window between this date and opening of free agency. This window of time is needed for the Commish to make sure all teams have complied with this rule.
All injured players who are posted prior to this deadline who are thought to be out with a known injury on opening day would be exempt from the 26 or less rule. This would have to be added to the proposed rule change/important date category.
A rostered player might be injured during Spring training after our deadline. These newly injured players could be posted if known to be out opening day.
March 1st, 2024 - 11.59 pm (EST) - New manager buyout deadline. - All teams must be at or under your cap by this date. - Deadline for all rosters to be at or below 26 players, regardless of player status. This means there are no IL or NA or Suspended player considerations. 26 contracted players max means 26 players including NA, IL, or Suspended players.
March 5th, 2024 - 9 am (EST) - Free agency begins.
I like this idea in theory. . The problem which I and Administrators have pointed out is making it work. Most of us in these leagues for a bit will get it, understand it and make it work. The problem is when I recruit new managers to our concept. If a new manager reads our “new potential” rule will they understand it or will they say “What the F…. Is this? I’m opposed to extra work as I am the one who trains all new managers. I don’t throw them into our league and see if they sink or swim. I’m interacting them, explaining things, answering questions, explaining cap, buyout, why this or that, etc etc. There is a whole bunch of work that Wally and I do that are not seen.
I’m ok with league voting on our final proposed rule change. I hope Wally will also put it to a vote.
I’m not good with wording. Hopefully Rick and others who want this rule change can write the new proposed rule to make sense and not be confusing. I’ll vote yes on it unless it’s too messy. If I vote No that means I feel I will have to clean up the mess on aisle 9. The Commish always cleans up the messes. Messes are extra work on top of the extra work.
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Post by Orioles (Rook) (Commish) on Apr 5, 2024 8:41:04 GMT -5
See how much time it takes to consider this proposal ,respond, think, lol. I’m really not complaining for myself. I am retired. I’m passionate about this concept. I have our other Commish Wally and formally Rodger to also consider. If Wally quits or steps down as Commish and we can’t find a new Commish I’ll have to take the league back. I won’t let it die. I don’t have the energy to run three leagues. My point is we are already complicated enough?
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Post by Orioles (Rook) (Commish) on Apr 10, 2024 11:23:34 GMT -5
Season ending pitcher injuries are an epidemic. Bieber and Srider recently added to the growing list. After thinking about it and reading pro ciomments calling for a change to our injured roster rules. I’ve decided to put this topic to a league vote.
I’ll write up a proposed rule change for next year. I’ll send it to a few managers for critique. The final version will be put up for a league vote.
Give me a little time to get this done. If anyone wants to write it up for me, please feel free to volunteer. Thanks.
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Post by Orioles (Rook) (Commish) on Apr 24, 2024 19:59:17 GMT -5
There is a new poll running. Please vote.
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Post by Brewers (Kyle) on Apr 25, 2024 5:34:19 GMT -5
I chuckle at how this has gotten to poll level... the 27-30th player you pick up won't have much impact. You are telling people "it's okay to have a 40 person roster" because of the IL/NA players being carried. ... next you'll complain of player hoarding and that's not fair.
I agree with the current rule and don't support the giant pile of Admin work you're polling on.
But, looking at where we're at with the vote already, I'm on the wrong side, so it doesn't matter that I rant.
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Post by Reds (Wally) on Apr 25, 2024 5:49:26 GMT -5
I too voted no (as I see it, the value added is not worth the effort), and, if it matters, I do not see my implementing this over on Moneyballers.
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Post by Orioles (Rook) (Commish) on Apr 25, 2024 18:56:42 GMT -5
Wally, I understand if you are against it and not willing to include it in your league. I’m against it and for it at the same time. The core managers who oppose this idea are our long time managers who are also in the original league..Our newer managers who have joined us in the last 1-3 years are for this idea.
We have four leagues whose rules are basically identical. Rodger, myself and now Wally have coordinated our efforts to keep our leagues exactly the same. If we go forward with this next year in “The Grind” then we will not be unified with exactly the same rules. That bothers me a bunch.
It appears I might have to give this idea a “trial run” next season to see how it works. The poll vote has a league majority already with six managers yet to vote.
I came up with an idea on how to make it work.
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