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Post by Orioles (Rook) (Commish) on Jan 27, 2022 9:36:46 GMT -5
I think a thread needs to be created. Below is a message I received from George of the Guardians. I shared his message with others in Administration. I’ll post all of our responses here.
Commish,
forgive me but I don't think it's fair for teams to trade off free agents who are no longer under their contracts. In MLB once a players contract expires with their club that player enters free agency and the club no longer has the right to trade that player to another team. In essence what these owners are doing are making deals with other clubs to enrich themselves at the expense of assets that rightfully belong in FA and should be up to the highest bidder they are potentially league assets.Your thoughts please,
George (Guardians)
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Post by Orioles (Rook) (Commish) on Jan 27, 2022 9:37:47 GMT -5
My repose to George….In real MLB when a players contract runs out he can re-sign with his team or explore free agency. The team can’t trade free agents. Correct!
In our three leagues we treat our own players with no contract as our property. We can drop that player, re-sign him or trade the rights to a new team. Yes, I will agree that’s not exactly how it is done in real MLB. Our cap is not how it’s done in real MLB, or how we handle Prospects. In real MLB rookies can be sent back down numerous times before they lose rights. We don’t do that..
I would add that owning players with no contracts gives us more options when trading and helps to increase the number of trades.
I guess what I’m trying to say our rules are our rules, not in a smart ass way, but in the best way I can explain.
Maybe the other guys have a different take.
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Post by Orioles (Rook) (Commish) on Jan 27, 2022 9:39:10 GMT -5
From Kyle of the Brewers
I see the point Guardians is making, but in the end agree with Orioles.
In the league, they still are our property.
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Post by Orioles (Rook) (Commish) on Jan 27, 2022 9:40:16 GMT -5
From Rodger of the White Sox
I think as much as we try to mirror the real MLB we have to remember we are playing a game of fantasy baseball.
I guess the only solution I can think of is to have a resigning window before any trades are allowed to resign or release out of contract players either at end of the season or right at the start of the new season?
Or we allow extensions to be made during the final year of a players contract during the season?
But I'm not sure it's really needed?
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Post by Reds (Wally) on Jan 27, 2022 10:31:57 GMT -5
While I too see George’s point, ultimately, I agree with Rook and Rodger on this. We do not mirror MLB exactly (after all, I am sure I am not alone in having players under fantasy contracts who are currently free agents in MLB). We can’t revamp the entire system, and I think allowing players without contracts increases potential trading activity while still giving some wiggle room in the event of injuries, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 0:01:40 GMT -5
I think George fails to see something that happens in many sports which is the sign and trade
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 9:35:47 GMT -5
But Chad you fail to see sign and trades occur while the player is still under contract I'm fine with that.
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Post by Astros (Mike) on Jan 28, 2022 12:30:23 GMT -5
I thought it was weird at first too to trade a player who is not under contract. I don't mind that we do it even though its not 100% realistic. The league is fun the way it is. I had planned to stay out of this one, because I'm just a guy having a good time playing a fun game and I don't really need to be involved, but I've decided to chime in...
George's concern is valid. Let's say a team begins the off-season over the cap, which already happened this year, but let's go further and say it happens to one of the best teams, who happens to have a bad year and now their budget is down - and they are $10m over the cap at the start of the off-season with a few pending high profile free agents. Why should they have the right to trade away players who are not under contract who they can't afford to sign anyway? The penalty for such a financial mess-up should be losing one's free agents to the free agency pool as opposed to being able to trade these players away for cheaper assets and draft picks. That is what George has identified as a potential issue. Nothing wrong with talking about it, and my compliments to our commissioner for bringing this one public. That's good leadership.
Now - as I said before - I don't think a change is necessary because a lot of hard work went into making this league what it is; it's fun; it's active; and nothing really needs to be changed. We all play by the same rules.
But IF a change is looked into, I would recommend you go with Rodger's well thought out plan of having a set date where each team must make decisions on their free agents before trades are open. It solves all problems. If you want to sign and trade a player - you can work something out in advance on the sly - provided you have the cap room to temporarily sign the player. You have to carry the player's salary until that date passes and trades open. If you can't - the player is a free agent and let the bidding begin!
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Post by Orioles (Rook) (Commish) on Jan 28, 2022 14:06:23 GMT -5
I’m glad we opened up this topic for all to comment. Please continue with everyone’s opinion.
Any changes made to the rules would be for next year. We have plenty of time for further discussion.
Add this to the mix. In the original league in year 9 there are star players whose contracts have expired this year. $16.5/0. Two examples are Goldschmidt and Altuve. The new contract will be $24.75 if re-signed. Does that add a different wrinkle to the discussion? I happened to trade for Altuve as I have tons of cap available for years to come. The team trading to me also has abundant cap.
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Post by Orioles (Rook) (Commish) on Feb 1, 2022 15:14:10 GMT -5
At this time no decision has been made what course of action we may take next year, if any. Any change to this rule will not be made until next year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 6:18:03 GMT -5
But Chad you fail to see sign and trades occur while the player is still under contract I'm fine with that. they absolutely do not an often is the case in basketball or hockey for example occur with restricted FREE AGENTS caps the key part |
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Post by Orioles (Rook) (Commish) on Feb 2, 2022 9:41:47 GMT -5
Rodger Commish of Moneyballers and I have talked it over. Out rule will stand. It gives us more options to trade which promotes activity.
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Post by Orioles (Rook) (Commish) on Feb 7, 2022 22:07:10 GMT -5
Roger Commish of Moneyballers and I have decided to modify our stance on this topic. Beginning 2023 we will add the following to our return date schedule.
February 1, 2023
- Deadline for all players without a contract to either be dropped or re-signed
We will restrict the amount of time managers have to either trade, drop or re-sign these players. There is no reason to extend the timeline for unsigned players until March 10th.
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